Hello Elated...I love all of the free pagekits! Just a suggestion...what if you created 10 or 20 'elite' pagekits for puchase at maybe $10, $25, $50, or even $100 a kit(yes, I am an American). This would be a great option for those who might not be able to afford the $1400 minimum to hire Elated (Although Elated is worth every penny!). Thanks for your time...-John
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Hi John,
Thanks for the suggestion. Does anyone else have any thoughts or input on this? Would you be willing to pay for certain PageKits?
Cheers!
Matt
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Thanks for the suggestion. Does anyone else have any thoughts or input on this? Would you be willing to pay for certain PageKits?
Cheers!
Matt
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Matt,
Take a look at this site:
http://www.worldclassites.qc.ca/
The sites are all Flash, but the basic concept is similar: They are templates of good quality that can be customized by/for business users, and they are intended to be sold as such.
You may find there's a small niche for such: Businesses starting out that want something better than the "loving hands at home" but can't afford a full-tilt approach from a team of professional designers. An excellent template such as your Pagekits that they can customize themselves (or hire the work at a modest fee) may be just the thing.
I have found during these meagre days of the fourth quarter that my little "a la carte" sites are bringing in more business and work than anything else I do. A side benefit is that at least one business has seen its own profits increase recently and plans to order a full site after the first of the year.
Anne
Take a look at this site:
http://www.worldclassites.qc.ca/
The sites are all Flash, but the basic concept is similar: They are templates of good quality that can be customized by/for business users, and they are intended to be sold as such.
You may find there's a small niche for such: Businesses starting out that want something better than the "loving hands at home" but can't afford a full-tilt approach from a team of professional designers. An excellent template such as your Pagekits that they can customize themselves (or hire the work at a modest fee) may be just the thing.
I have found during these meagre days of the fourth quarter that my little "a la carte" sites are bringing in more business and work than anything else I do. A side benefit is that at least one business has seen its own profits increase recently and plans to order a full site after the first of the year.
Anne
That's pretty cool. Thanks Anne! We'll have a think about the points you raised.
Happy Christmas!
Matt
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Happy Christmas!
Matt
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Hi Anne, Matt and Darkmatter.
I took a look at the "worldclassites" website and, although I,m not a great fan of flash (to distracting) I found them to be rather nice. One thing that strikes me about the idea, It seems an awful lot of "upfront" hardwork and alot of valuable time to create kits that may, or may not sell, this valuable time could be spent on a project that pays on delivery. The other point is that people are generally lazy by nature, if they can pay someone to do it for them, they will. On the other hand if there keen, they will teach them self's to do the job. I could be wrong and it would be interesting to know how many of your free page kits have been used for corperate buisness use rather than personal projects.
Either way it's a good way for a webdesigner to show of there talent, as Elated do so well.
Regards.
Jason.
I took a look at the "worldclassites" website and, although I,m not a great fan of flash (to distracting) I found them to be rather nice. One thing that strikes me about the idea, It seems an awful lot of "upfront" hardwork and alot of valuable time to create kits that may, or may not sell, this valuable time could be spent on a project that pays on delivery. The other point is that people are generally lazy by nature, if they can pay someone to do it for them, they will. On the other hand if there keen, they will teach them self's to do the job. I could be wrong and it would be interesting to know how many of your free page kits have been used for corperate buisness use rather than personal projects.
Either way it's a good way for a webdesigner to show of there talent, as Elated do so well.
Regards.
Jason.
Jason,
It's tough because the Elated forums are all about help, support, kindness, encouragement, and all that great stuff.
But I think a lot of business Websites are just plain awful. Acquiring those skills takes time, energy, and a certain amount of talent. I think there are any number of businesses that could expend a modest amount to get a decent small-scale website.
Anne
It's tough because the Elated forums are all about help, support, kindness, encouragement, and all that great stuff.
But I think a lot of business Websites are just plain awful. Acquiring those skills takes time, energy, and a certain amount of talent. I think there are any number of businesses that could expend a modest amount to get a decent small-scale website.
Anne
Hello everybody...
The reason I suggested the 'pagekits for sale' concept is because I've downloaded and played with several Elated pagekits. I've shown my friends the pagekits (Properly crediting Elated, of course!). The first thing they always say is: "That looks cool! How much did it cost?". I think that speaks for itself.;)
-John
The reason I suggested the 'pagekits for sale' concept is because I've downloaded and played with several Elated pagekits. I've shown my friends the pagekits (Properly crediting Elated, of course!). The first thing they always say is: "That looks cool! How much did it cost?". I think that speaks for itself.;)
-John
One of my mates from college asked me the best way to start a website. I brought him to this site and he looked at the tutorials etc and he then went onto the pagekits page and he started looking at them and thats exactly what he said 'How much do they cost?'
Dan
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Dan
[Edited by itfcno1fan on 02-Jan-02 16:19]
That's interesting (and encouraging!). Of course we're always going to have the free PageKits on the site (even if we introduce additional, paid PageKits).
One thing that concerns us about the idea of having paid PageKits is that Web designers will want to use them to build sites for clients, which we feel uncomfortable about (for the reasons why we feel uncomfortable, see this FAQ: http://www.elated.com/help/#pagekits8).
How do you all feel about this issue? If most people think it's ethically/morally OK for a Web designer to use a PageKit to design client sites, then we may allow this on any paid PageKits that we do. I guess you could argue that if a designer manages to effectively "resell" a PageKit to a client for $5000, as a Web site, then good luck to them.
Any feedback/comments welcome!
Matt
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One thing that concerns us about the idea of having paid PageKits is that Web designers will want to use them to build sites for clients, which we feel uncomfortable about (for the reasons why we feel uncomfortable, see this FAQ: http://www.elated.com/help/#pagekits8).
How do you all feel about this issue? If most people think it's ethically/morally OK for a Web designer to use a PageKit to design client sites, then we may allow this on any paid PageKits that we do. I guess you could argue that if a designer manages to effectively "resell" a PageKit to a client for $5000, as a Web site, then good luck to them.
Any feedback/comments welcome!
Matt
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[Edited by matt on 02-Jan-02 16:42]
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Matt,
I was sure I posted a reply to this yesterday. Must've been dreaming.
There are two sides to it. I think the little sites can make money. My husband doesn't. He thinks they're stealing money away from full-fledged work. I need to figure out how to account for that so I have something to go on, but there's a diversity of opinions under this roof.
As for having Web designers "deploy" the 'Kits (for want of a better word), would it be possible to retain the right to keep a "designed by" link on each page? If that were the case, you'd still get the benefits of the link back and the name, and they really would be just resellers. I never thought of the concept of a VAR in conjunction with Websites. It's an interesting thought.
Anne
I was sure I posted a reply to this yesterday. Must've been dreaming.
There are two sides to it. I think the little sites can make money. My husband doesn't. He thinks they're stealing money away from full-fledged work. I need to figure out how to account for that so I have something to go on, but there's a diversity of opinions under this roof.
As for having Web designers "deploy" the 'Kits (for want of a better word), would it be possible to retain the right to keep a "designed by" link on each page? If that were the case, you'd still get the benefits of the link back and the name, and they really would be just resellers. I never thought of the concept of a VAR in conjunction with Websites. It's an interesting thought.
Anne
Anne,
When you say "I think the little sites can make money" do you mean small web designers as opposed to the big guys? I suspect you may be right - lots of people only want to pay a small amount of money for a simple site.
Your second point is interesting - we'll have a think about that!
Thanks a lot,
Matt
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When you say "I think the little sites can make money" do you mean small web designers as opposed to the big guys? I suspect you may be right - lots of people only want to pay a small amount of money for a simple site.
Your second point is interesting - we'll have a think about that!
Thanks a lot,
Matt
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Matt Doyle, Elated
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Well, I would certainly put you in with the big guys, and I would certainly say that I haven't achieved that. (Let's hope someday I do.)
When I got started I set myself what I considered a fair hourly rate--not too high, not too cheap. And I've stuck with it. So if you, as a client, want me to build you a complex site (I dunno, let's say it has a shopping cart), I can evaluate your needs and come back to you with a fair estimate of the amount of time it'll take. When I send you the bill, it's likely to be for 32 or 36 or 40 or more hours of work--that's a lot of money, but your site has taken that much time.
I also have a little "a la carte" plan. Under this you get something very specific that may or may not meet your needs: The design will be original and will incorporate your logo. You may have up to four pages. Each page may have from 1-4 images, depending on what we agree to as your final design. You supply me with text and photos for each page. You get one major revision and an aggregate hour of phone support once the site is live. For that I charge a flat fee that seems very attractive but that I can actually make money with. I sell a lot more of these.
The question is, would you somehow dilute your credibility or cachet or whatever as one of the big boys? I dunno. For me it doesn't matter a great deal, because small-business was one of my target areas when I put together what passes for a business plan. For you the answer could be very different.
Anne
When I got started I set myself what I considered a fair hourly rate--not too high, not too cheap. And I've stuck with it. So if you, as a client, want me to build you a complex site (I dunno, let's say it has a shopping cart), I can evaluate your needs and come back to you with a fair estimate of the amount of time it'll take. When I send you the bill, it's likely to be for 32 or 36 or 40 or more hours of work--that's a lot of money, but your site has taken that much time.
I also have a little "a la carte" plan. Under this you get something very specific that may or may not meet your needs: The design will be original and will incorporate your logo. You may have up to four pages. Each page may have from 1-4 images, depending on what we agree to as your final design. You supply me with text and photos for each page. You get one major revision and an aggregate hour of phone support once the site is live. For that I charge a flat fee that seems very attractive but that I can actually make money with. I sell a lot more of these.
The question is, would you somehow dilute your credibility or cachet or whatever as one of the big boys? I dunno. For me it doesn't matter a great deal, because small-business was one of my target areas when I put together what passes for a business plan. For you the answer could be very different.
Anne
I appreciate your pagekits as well. I also appreciate the current cost. If had to pay for the kits I would be less inclined to learn and do the programming my-self. I learned a lot in the last few days, and i'm still learning.
You have gained a loyal customer, and as my business grows I hope to hire you to develop a more professional site. One without all of my mistakes. I like what I was able to do but I running a business. I realy can not afford the opportunity loss because of the lack of professionalism behind my site, and the time i spend developing it instead of business. I beleive you $1400 can save me that expense.
Right now I am a new usiness and really couldn't afford the cost of my domain name let alone a nickel here and dime there. Being American is nice, But really a major part of business development is creating close relationships with you potential customers. I believe the British gents at Elated have done just that, and are well on thier way to mastering it.
Graeme Woods
Principle
Constance Financial Group
www.constancefinancialgroup.com
You have gained a loyal customer, and as my business grows I hope to hire you to develop a more professional site. One without all of my mistakes. I like what I was able to do but I running a business. I realy can not afford the opportunity loss because of the lack of professionalism behind my site, and the time i spend developing it instead of business. I beleive you $1400 can save me that expense.
Right now I am a new usiness and really couldn't afford the cost of my domain name let alone a nickel here and dime there. Being American is nice, But really a major part of business development is creating close relationships with you potential customers. I believe the British gents at Elated have done just that, and are well on thier way to mastering it.
Graeme Woods
Principle
Constance Financial Group
www.constancefinancialgroup.com
Thanks for the feedback Graeme! Rest assured that the PageKits that are currently free on the site will always remain free, even if we were to introduce a different range of paid templates.
Best wishes,
Matt
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Best wishes,
Matt
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